talk about a piece of history!!!

[holycowcubswin10]

I think this card is awesome. I am interested in hearing your guys thoughts on this card. Do you like? Why or Why not? do you consider it a gimmick card? Do you prefer card companies to only out out Sports cards??

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=001

[statscards]

What a great item.

I am sure some will say that these should not be cut up, but I am sure it is not that big of a deal in the long run. In fact, it is probably a better way to preseve such an item as long as it comes out of the packs and is not there forever which I am sure some get put away somewhere and dont see the light of day.

[Davz13]

i enjoy these. it would sweet to get that.
personally, i would almost rather have an auto from some of these historical figures, rather than a sports player.

i do like putting it into a card. i would not have the heart to tear the document up myself - but i would be happy to own it.

[holycowcubswin10]

thanks for the replies.

Davz,

I totally agree with you, Einstein and Edison contributed to the World, athletes are a small part of a larger picture, however Sports are a lot more fun.

[statscards]

Originally Posted by holycowcubswin10

thanks for the replies.

Davz,

I totally agree with you, Einstein and Edison contributed to the World, athletes are a small part of a larger picture, however Sports are a lot more fun.

Afraid I differ in thought, I think sports are the single most influental thing in our world today. Nothing shapes young people like sports and nothing controls the way individuals live than their committment to sports. But unless you are able to sit down and talk to me, it it hard for me to persuade you on this here.

[Vince15Fan]

Originally Posted by statscards

Afraid I differ in thought, I think sports are the single most influental thing in our world today.

Yeah, if you ignore that whole radical islamic movement. I know the two are neck and neck, but if you ask me...a religious belief strong enough to motivate people to fly planes into buildings is a touch more influental than Monday Night Football.

Originally Posted by statscards

Nothing shapes young people like sports

How about popular culture; music, video games, movies and television programs? How about their parents and their teachers? And do you seriously mean to tell me that Sportscenter has a greater impact on a young person than even his/her peers? Sports are one of the last things I'd consider when listing the things that shape a young mind...just ahead of frozen bananas and venetian blinds.

Originally Posted by statscards

and nothing controls the way individuals live than their committment to sports.

How about their work and school schedules? I don't know about you, but the necessity to spend the majority of my waking hours at work or school certainly "controls my life" more than a Kwame Brown hookshot on TNT. How about drug and alcohol addiction? Significant others? Family? If sports control an individual's life above all else, I'm sorry to say that that person has their priorities way the hell out of order.

Originally Posted by statscards

But unless you are able to sit down and talk to me, it it hard for me to persuade you on this here.

Even with a little heart to heart, sit-down conversation, I doubt you'd see much success in trying to convince any sane person that sports have more control over people than their peers, their family, politics, religion, popular culture, their friends, obligations such as work and school, etc., etc.

-JP

[v00d00ch1ld42]

Originally Posted by statscards

Afraid I differ in thought, I think sports are the single most influental thing in our world today. Nothing shapes young people like sports and nothing controls the way individuals live than their committment to sports. But unless you are able to sit down and talk to me, it it hard for me to persuade you on this here.

No offense intended, but that is an absolutely asinine statement. First of all, that is a wildly ethnocentric view, considering that a majority of the world's population isn't privy to youth baseball leagues, the NBA, or other such forms of organized sport.

With that out of the way...

While sports may help instill values of teamwork and cooperation in the younger generation, ultimately the onus of teaching such things to children is on the parents. Without delving into statistics, the key element to well-adjusted children is a healthy home environment. Personally, I have found that in retrospect, my folks played a much larger role in my upbringing than my pop-warner football days.

A career or life in sports is essentially a pipe dream that is actualized for a VERY small percentage of the population. It dictates the lives of very few. Throwing these extremes out, look at the populace. Sports is an escape, a hobby, and occasionally an obsession. But by no means is it a pertinant factor in everyday life. With all of the other factors in the world scope, sports are merely an afterthought. That's why the latest developments in the Israeli-Libyan conflict are the headline story in our newspapers, and the torrid win streak of the Dodgers is found somewhere in the fourth section.And quite frankly, if a person's career/education, family, and friends, don't take presecedence over sports, that's pathetic. It's fine to set aside some time for the big game, or throw down some cash on tickets to see your boys in action, but I can't think of a person I know that would consider sports the biggest influence on their life.

In closing, a basic economic principle states that all decisions in life are motivated by either fear or reward. If one examines all of their actions, they will find either a prevalent factor. I love sports with all of my heart. My emotions swing with the success of my teams. But I can think of PLENTY (read: a VAST majority) of instances in my life, where sports weren't on my mind while taking some sort of action.

[holycowcubswin10]

this is exactly what I hoped would happen. Great arguments from everyone. Keep them coming!!!

[alonzomourning]

I love basketball, but it's definitely way down on the list of things that have shaped my life. Topping the list would be family, friends, education, and my neverending love of learning. Secondary things would be music, certain TV shows, movies, books, etc. To me, those have been my biggest sources of influence. Sports and everything related has always been something to do in my leisure time. I don't think I've changed my opinion or gotten a different perspective on anything because of a sporting event. I'm not discounting the effect of sports on society as a ways of escapism, but I don't think it's much more than that.

Wait, wasn't this about that awesome card? That is a card I wish I could own. I, like most, could never justify the price it will undoubtably get, but it's very cool nonetheless. I think it's a great idea of Topps to put autos of more than just sports figures in their sets, although I wish it were in some sort of non-sport themed set instead of a baseball one.

I've been interested in Einstein's work. And living around ten minutes away from Thomas Edison's hometown, as well as the town that now bears his name, you can't help but at least have a passing interest in him as well. Just an overall incredible card of two of the greatest thinkers to have ever lived.

[statscards]

First off, I am not saying just basketball.

These are the kinds of things I study and see on a daily basis. I am unable to articulate this in a written statement, but I think you would be able to understand my thoughts on the matter in a sit-down conversation.

One statement I can make that I see as being overlooked is the affect of those not participating as well and this affect on individuals.
-How are young people affected by not being on a team?
-How are young people affected by supporting others?

There is a long list I would articulate on if in person, but not stuff I am going to throw out here.