seriously offensive question

[streicher187]

Ok I was watching the news(Fox News) and they had the guy on from Vermont who is trying to get the President Impeached..

Clinton was impeached and noone complained but

This guy quoted several reasons for Bush

1.The misinformation of going to war with Iraq
2.The outing of a Cia Agent
3.Most corrupt time in politics(libby, Delay etc)
4.Torture of Prisoners
5.Holding prisoners for no reason for several years
6.Illegal Wire tapping
7.Handling of Natural Disaster(Katrina)
8.Handling of 9/11(and cramming it down our throats) But mainly letting the masterminds family fly out of country when there was a no fly rule and still having not captured him)
and there was about 5 more things

The Democrat on the show said that he didn't believe in impeaching Bush(nor do I). but it should be open for debate

The Republican gave the usual answer he actually said "Your sir are selfish, worried about your own political agenda by going after the president in a time of war. Your selfish attitude is not only harming our troops but putting the country in great risk by giving aid and comfort to our enemies!"

Since WHEN were we NOT allowed to question our goverment? It was us who put them in power and it's us who will vote them out this fall Have we really sunk to the level where we cannot critize someone without being called selfish Are we all just supposed to bow down and do what we are told and not speak up when we see something that we think is wrong

I guess my question is when did we lose the freedom to speak out? When anyone does they are UNAMERICAN and putting the country at risk..

So my speaking out is more dangerous then
Letting people come and go across our borders
Inspecting less then 5% of cargo comming into the US

I don't vote in primaries(not allowed I'm an independent ).. I usually only vote in presidential elections may have to make an exception this fall. Sadly I see the same people being reelected, I think we have an attitude that goverment sucks but our guy is ok so we reelect them...

SORRY FOR RANT and if I put anyone in danger by speaking out I'm sorry

[Bondsaway]

Jim,
How dare you endanger me?? LOL
Its funny, they won't protect our borders, but for what you said they have no problems sending the secret service or FBI to your door! Someone please tell me where is this war at that we are supposely in? Iraq is now just a policing action, we are not in a state of war with them? It is about time to start questioning our government are not us who?

[thebighurt035]

My take on just a few thing you brought up.


I guess my question is when did we lose the freedom to speak out? When anyone does they are UNAMERICAN and putting the country at risk..

When Bush got into office!


Clinton was impeached and noone complained but

This guy quoted several reasons for Bush
1.The misinformation of going to war with Iraq
2.The outing of a Cia Agent
3.Most corrupt time in politics(libby, Delay etc)
4.Torture of Prisoners
5.Holding prisoners for no reason for several years
6.Illegal Wire tapping
7.Handling of Natural Disaster(Katrina)
8.Handling of 9/11(and cramming it down our throats) But mainly letting the masterminds family fly out of country when there was a no fly rule and still having not captured him)
and there was about 5 more things

We have to wait for Bush to lie about a sexual encounter before we can think about impeachment nothing on that list measures up to a sexual encounter


Letting people come and go across our borders

When my parents came to the U.S from Italy in 1955 they had to have a Sponser, Job lined up,and pass a physical.
Sorry but I say send the illegal immigrants back no Amnesty or we could just give up Texas to the illegal immigrants J/K


Roy

[alonzomourning]

Originally Posted by streicher187

The Republican gave the usual answer he actually said "Your sir are selfish, worried about your own political agenda by going after the president in a time of war. Your selfish attitude is not only harming our troops but putting the country in great risk by giving aid and comfort to our enemies!"

That's just the usual "I have no counter argument so I'll just say something that makes you look bad" response. There are a few cases where you could say that is what is going on (the ACLU constantly asking for more pictures of the Abu Ghraib situation comes to mind), but most of the time it is just honest criticism.

[BravesFan4Life]

his pushing of the Patriot(*cough* Fascist act *cough*) Act is bad enough.

This debate was brought up recently in one of my history classes in trying to define Fascism and this patriot act is a tool that can be seen as fascist. Considering we consider are selves to be a liberal democracy and fascism is fundamentally against liberalism, we are doing things against our own foundations, a little weird yes?


Oy vey, hopefully next President isnt full of shit, we are one more stupid president away from completely pissing off the rest of the world.

[streicher187]

I get tired of hearing that mexican workers will do jobs americans won't.. Americans WILL do the jobs but not for the 1.25 an hour mexicans will do it for

I have an Idea 50% of my town is useless white trash and are on welfare. I would GLADLY trade them to mexico for some of their hard working citizens

[streicher187]

Originally Posted by BravesFan4Life

his pushing of the Patriot(*cough* Fascist act *cough*) Act is bad enough.

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Actually it has been ruled unconstitutional and is totally ignored by a few states and counties in the US.. I'm sure if anyone ever took it to the supreme court it would be ruled as such..

[streicher187]

ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE

Carroll was just released by her captures, she spoke out against Bush now they are painting her as unamerican and saying they don't even believe she was captured but it was a hoax..